Crewing questions
Hi Everyone,
I plan to crew in 2006 and want to be as effective as possible out there without hindering the runner I am helping.
I have crewed friends throughout the years and have been a runner since my teens, so I know what runners need in general and how to crew in general; however, I have no crewing experience at something as serious as Badwater.
I have an exercise science degree and am a fitness professional, but I know that no matter how much I read about how the body reacts to extreme heat, all that theory won't really give me a clear picture of what really happens out in the field.
I've read many crewing stories and all of the information for crew at the Badwater website, but I have some questions:
1) I read at the Badwater website that all vehicles must have liability insurance in the state of CA so I'm assuming that means leave my vehicle at home as all out of state crew will use rental vehicles or vehicles registered in CA?
2) At what point in the race can a crew member pace a runner and must the pacing be single-file in an unofficial race just as in the official race? I couldn't find anything at the website stating at what point, if any, a crew member may begin pacing a runner (I know usual protocol is to not allow pacing until mile 70 of a 100 for instance). All I could find is information regarding runners under age 60.
3) Generally, how long in duration of hours can a crew member crew before needing to rest and sleep before another crew member takes over?
Feel free to post to the forum or send me a private message.
Thanks very much for your input.
The Tramp
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The official website states:
"Runners under the age of 60 may not be accompanied by pacers or moving crew members between Badwater and Furnace Creek."
From looking at the course information, it looks like Furnace Creek is 17.4 miles into the race. Is this correct?
So then am I correct to assume pacing is allowed beginning at mile 17.4 k for runners under 60 and at any point in the race for runners over 60?
The Tramp
"It takes more courage to reveal insecurities than to hide them, more strength to relate to people than to dominate them..."
--Alex Karras
Whitney Summit Member
Are out-of-state insurance policies NOT good in California???
(Obviously I don't know much about this. Somebody else?)
Marcia Rasmussen
2003, 2006 - BW Crew
2005, 2006, 2007 - Solo Crossing
Best time - 46:20
Marica,
I went back to the Adventurecorps website and re-read the information on automobile insurance; I see I misunderstood the rule.
The "Legal & Bureaucrataic Issues" section of the "Badwater Ultramarathon Rules" states:
4) All race vehicles must meet the minumum requirements of property damange and personla injury liability automobile insuranc for the state of CA."
I obviously misunderstood this to mean the policy must be in CA and now I see what is simply meant is the policy must meet CA state's minimum standard.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
The Tramp
"It takes more courage to reveal insecurities than to hide them, more strength to relate to people than to dominate them..."
--Alex Karras
Yes Trail Tramp. Pacing is allowed anywhere after Furnance Creek.
You can run with the big dogs, or you can sit on the porch and bark.
Tramp,
>I plan to crew in 2006 and want to be as effective as possible out there without hindering the runner I am helping. I have crewed friends throughout the years and have been a runner since my teens, so I know what runners need in general and how to crew in general; however, I have no crewing experience at something as serious as Badwater. each otherI have an exercise science degree and am a fitness professional, but I know that no matter how much I read about how the body reacts to extreme heat, all that theory won't really give me a clear picture of what really happens out in the field. I've read many crewing stories and all of the information for crew at the Badwater website, but I have some questions: 1) I read at the Badwater website that all vehicles must have liability insurance in the state of CA so I'm assuming that means leave my vehicle at home as all out of state crew will use rental vehicles or vehicles registered in CA? 2) At what point in the race can a crew member pace a runner and must the pacing be single-file in an unofficial race just as in the official race? I couldn't find anything at the website stating at what point, if any, a crew member may begin pacing a runner (I know usual protocol is to not allow pacing until mile 70 of a 100 for instance). All I could find is information regarding runners under age 60. 3) Generally, how long in duration of hours can a crew member crew before needing to rest and sleep before another crew member takes over?Thanks very much for your input.<
You are welcome. Hope to see you 'out there' (or sooner)
Cheers,
Robert
Chandler, AZ
Robert Andrulis
2006 BW Ultra - 43:21
Robert,
Thanks a million for taking the time to answer my questions.
I'm so new to this and am really quite lost as to what to do out there. I've never even been to Death Valley. What I know if I don't want to become a casualty and not come through for my runner; I've heard stories of crew members succumbing to the conditions, so I want to be sure I'm conditioned as if I'm going to run the event myself.
Do you or others have anything to share as to what you've done to condition yourselves to crew?
Thanks,
The Tramp
"It takes more courage to reveal insecurities than to hide them, more strength to relate to people than to dominate them..."
--Alex Karras
Whitney Summit Member
When I crewed, there were basically 4 of us, and we all worked pretty much straight through. I grabbed a couple of 2-hour naps along the way. But my runner was only out there one night. She finished at 10 PM the 2nd night. This arrangement wouldn't work well with a slower runner.
When I ran, I had 5 crew and 2 vehicles. We did 12-hour shifts, and 2 crew members worked at a time. The 5th crew member and the 2nd vehicle served as a shuttle for crew and ice.
Both times, the "serving" crew vehicle was a small pickup truck with a camper shell. Not as much room as a van, but it really worked quite well. Sometimes during the "big race", turnouts are hard to find (especially on the mountain sections of the course.) The small truck (with 4WD) could park a lot of places that the big vans couldn't.
Marcia Rasmussen
2003, 2006 - BW Crew
2005, 2006, 2007 - Solo Crossing
Best time - 46:20